Compliance into the Weeds

The award winning, Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast which takes a deep dive into a compliance related topic, literally going into the weeds to more fully explore a subject. Looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly look the recent hack of McKinsey’s AI tool Lilli. 

Tom and Matt discuss a Financial Times report that a white-hat hacker, Paul Price of one-person firm Code Wall, exploited flaws in McKinsey’s internal AI tool “Lilli” to access millions of internal chat messages, view sensitive client-related file names, and see the model weights used to train the system; McKinsey patched the vulnerabilities after disclosure. They argue the incident highlights emerging AI risks beyond traditional cybersecurity, including AI agents autonomously scouting for targets, the possibility of attackers altering models to change outputs and create hard-to-detect “drift,” and confusion over who inside organizations owns AI security and governance. The episode also explores the messy, inconsistent disclosure landscape for AI-related incidents and urges compliance and GRC leaders to slow AI adoption, pressure-test systems, clarify accountability, ensure kill-switch/manual fallback capabilities, and consider reputational fallout.

 Key Highlights 

·      McKinsey AI Hack Overview

·      Three Big Implications

·      Model Drift and Tampering

·      GRC Playbook for AI Risk

·      Accountability and Kill Switches

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A multi-award winning podcast, Compliance into the Weeds was most recently honored as one of a Top 25 Regulatory Compliance Podcast and a Top 10 Business Law Podcast, and a Top 12 Risk Management Podcast. Compliance into the Weeds has been conferred a Davey, Communicator and w3 Award, all for podcast excellence. 

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The award winning, Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast which takes a deep dive into a compliance related topic, literally going into the weeds to more fully explore a subject. Looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly look two recent developments sending a common message to compliance teams.  

First, DOJ antitrust official Daniel Glad warns that a new Antitrust Whistleblower Awards program and increased pursuit of prison time for individuals compress companies’ timelines to investigate and self-disclose, because insiders may report first and cost those firms potential leniency. Second, Senate Democrats led by Elizabeth Warren propose the FCPA Reinforcement Act to extend the FCPA statute of limitations from five to 10 years for an eight-year window, aiming to preserve future enforcement capacity for misconduct occurring now. They connect these “sticks” with “carrots” such as fast declinations for self-disclosure, emphasizing the need for robust compliance programs, strong reporting culture, prompt investigations, and clear decisions on disclosure regardless of who controls Washington. 

Key Highlights 

·      Two Washington Signals

·      Antitrust Whistleblower Push

·      FCPA Reinforcement Act

·      Carrots Sticks and Culture

·      Why Internal Reporting Matters

·      Self Disclosure Through Line

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 A multi-award winning podcast, Compliance into the Weeds was most recently honored as one of a Top 25 Regulatory Compliance Podcast and a Top 10 Business Law Podcast, and a Top 12 Risk Management Podcast. Compliance into the Weeds has been conferred a Davey, Communicator and w3 Award, all for podcast excellence. 

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The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore it more fully. Looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly look at the recently announced new Southern District of New York standard for Declinations.

They look at SDNY U.S. Attorney Jay Clayton’s newly released self-disclosure/cooperation/declination policy and its implications for corporate compliance. While the core elements, prompt voluntary disclosure, cooperation, remediation, and restitution, mirror existing DOJ expectations, they highlight a significant change: SDNY now treats “aggravated circumstances” as certain categories of crimes that are categorically ineligible for declinations, including foreign corruption/FCPA, sanctions evasion, terrorism, sex trafficking with minors, smuggling, drug cartels, and forced labor, rather than focusing on offense traits such as senior management involvement or recidivism. They note potential inconsistencies with DOJ’s corporate enforcement approach, uncertainty about disclosure timing despite references to promptness and pre-investigation disclosure, broad discretion in enforcement, and the risk of forum shopping.

Key highlights:

• Why SDNY Declinations Matter
• Clayton Policy Key Changes
• Aggravated Circumstances Redefined
• FCPA Carve Out Confusion
• Timing and Disclosure Pressure
• Cooperation Restitution Disgorgement

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A multi-award-winning podcast, Compliance into the Weeds was most recently honored as one of the Top 25 Regulatory Compliance Podcasts, a Top 10 Business Law Podcast, and a Top 12 Risk Management Podcast. Compliance into the Weeds has been conferred a Davey, a Communicator Award, and a W3 Award, all for podcast excellence.

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The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore it more fully. Looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly look at the recent conviction of Charles ‘Hunter” Hobson for FCPA violations.

Former Corsa Coal senior sales executive Charles Hunter Hobson was found guilty in Pennsylvania of helping arrange roughly $4.8 million in bribes to officials tied to a state-owned Egyptian coal company, using an intermediary, to secure about $143 million in contracts. Also, Hobson allegedly pocketed about $200,000. Tom and Matt  Hobson’s unsuccessful “dog bite” defenses. They also discuss tensions between corporate and individual accountability, the practical reality that companies may cooperate and “turn on” individuals, and that individuals can also expose companies by cooperating with prosecutors. Finally, they speculate on why DOJ pursued trial amid shifting enforcement signals, referencing other recent FCPA matters (Millicom DPA, Smartmatic indictment) and past DOJ trial losses, and conclude that the best approach is to avoid bribery and avoid being the “last man standing.”

Key highlights:

• Hobson Case Overview
• Dog Bite Defense Breakdown
• Payment Red Flags
• Declinations and Individual Risk
• Why Go to Trial?

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A multi-award-winning podcast, Compliance into the Weeds was most recently honored as one of the Top 25 Regulatory Compliance Podcasts, a Top 10 Business Law Podcast, and a Top 12 Risk Management Podcast. Compliance into the Weeds has been conferred a Davey, a Communicator Award, and a W3 Award, all for podcast excellence.

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The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore it more fully. Looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly look at recent reporting on Binance that raises questions about the effectiveness of its compliance program, monitorships, and executive attitudes toward compliance.

They recap Binance’s 2023 resolution of U.S. criminal and civil matters involving money laundering and sanctions evasion. They discuss the Fortune article, which reported that Binance continued to route funds through its platform to the Iranian government in 2024 and into 2025. They highlight Mr. Zou’s public response on X, suggesting that if investigators found misconduct, it implied they failed to prevent it, which the hosts criticize as a misunderstanding that business units own risk and that compliance’s role is to provide systems, channels, oversight, and escalation rather than “prevent” all misconduct.

Key highlights:

• Truth Stranger Than Fiction in Compliance
• Binance’s 2023 Guilty Plea, $4.3B Penalty & Two Monitorships
• Compliance Team Fallout: Investigators Fired & CCO on the Move
• ‘If You Found It, You Failed’: Why CEOs Misunderstand Compliance
• Iran as the Red Line: Plea Agreement Breach, Politics, and Corruption Risk
• Will Anyone Enforce This? Rule of Law Questions and What Comes Next

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A multi-award-winning podcast, Compliance into the Weeds was most recently honored as one of the Top 25 Regulatory Compliance Podcasts, a Top 10 Business Law Podcast, and a Top 12 Risk Management Podcast. Compliance into the Weeds has been conferred a Davey, a Communicator Award, and a W3 Award, all for podcast excellence.

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The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore it more fully. Looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly look at three recent stories to draw compliance lessons for the future.

They discuss significant developments in compliance, focusing on Jay Clayton’s recent speech regarding FCPA enforcement and the implications for companies. They also analyze a case involving the termination of compliance officers at Scotiabank for failing to escalate concerns about insider trading. The conversation concludes with a reflection on athlete decision-making in the context of injuries and the lessons for corporate compliance practices.

Key highlights:

• Jay Clayton’s Speech and White Collar Crime Prosecution
• Compliance Officers and Escalation Failures at Scotiabank
• Ethics in Sports: Decision-Making and Compliance Lessons

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A multi-award-winning podcast, Compliance into the Weeds was most recently honored as one of the Top 25 Regulatory Compliance Podcasts, a Top 10 Business Law Podcast, and a Top 12 Risk Management Podcast. Compliance into the Weeds has been conferred a Davey, a Communicator Award, and a W3 Award, all for podcast excellence.

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The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore it more fully. Looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly examine three recent surveys that examine the real-world impact of AI adoption in corporate environments.

Recording from Alexandria, Virginia, where Matt is attending a conference on ethical governance of AI, Matt and Tom discuss the differing perceptions of AI’s benefits between senior executives and other employees. They explore findings from PWC, Section, and Workday surveys, uncovering a significant gap in AI’s perceived value. The discussion highlights the challenges of integrating AI, the significant rework required by employees, and the struggle to build trust in AI tools. They also debate whether enterprise-scale AI deployment or incremental, point-specific adoption is the best path forward.

Key highlights:

• Conference on Ethical AI Governance
• Reality Checks on AI Adoption
• AI Rework and Employee Training Concerns
• Trust Issues with AI

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A multi-award-winning podcast, Compliance into the Weeds was most recently honored as one of the Top 25 Regulatory Compliance Podcasts, a Top 10 Business Law Podcast, and a Top 12 Risk Management Podcast. Compliance into the Weeds has been conferred a Davey, a Communicator Award, and a W3 Award, all for podcast excellence.

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The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore it more fully. Looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of #ComplianceintotheWeeds, Tom Fox, and Matt Kelly look at the leadership failures from Donald Trump and his administration after the killing of Alex Pretti last weekend. This episode has significant editorial commentary.

Matt and Tom critically examine the behavior and leadership failings of Donald Trump and his Administration in the wake of the shooting of Alex Pretti and argue that his approach is far from exemplary for CEOs or business leaders. The discussion highlights the essence of effective leadership as the ability to instill trust and direction, contrasting this with Trump’s history of questionable business acumen and the allegations of his disastrous lying to the American people. The takeaway is that true leadership involves integrity, trustworthiness, and the ability to inspire and guide employees toward a common goal, traits that Trump is argued to lack. 

Key highlights:

• Comparing CEOs to Donald Trump
• Crisis of hyper-transparency
• Corporate responses. Were they enough or a first step?
• Leadership and Trust

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A multi-award-winning podcast, Compliance into the Weeds was most recently honored as one of the Top 25 Regulatory Compliance Podcasts, a Top 10 Business Law Podcast, and a Top 12 Risk Management Podcast. Compliance into the Weeds has been conferred a Davey, a Communicator Award, and a W3 Award, all for podcast excellence.

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The award-winning Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast that takes a deep dive into a compliance-related topic, literally going into the weeds to explore it more fully. Looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly look at the challenges of retaliation against Chief Compliance Officers (CCOs).

They highlight the need for ongoing communication between compliance officers and senior management, and share strategies for CCOs to mitigate personal risk. The discussion includes real-world examples, the role of senior management in fostering a compliant culture, and the importance of scenario planning and training to prepare for potential issues. The episode emphasizes proactive measures such as charm offensives and preemptive remediation plans to navigate and defuse potential retaliatory scenarios.

Key highlights:

• Real-Life Examples of Retaliation
• Management’s Perception and Compliance Challenges
• Building Relationships with Senior Management
• Proactive Compliance Strategies to Prevent Retaliation
• Framing Compliance Training Like Cybersecurity Drills

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A multi-award-winning podcast, Compliance into the Weeds was most recently honored as one of the Top 25 Regulatory Compliance Podcasts, a Top 10 Business Law Podcast, and a Top 12 Risk Management Podcast. Compliance into the Weeds has been conferred a Davey, a Communicator Award, and a W3 Award, all for podcast excellence.

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The award winning, Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast which takes a deep dive into a compliance related topic, literally going into the weeds to more fully explore a subject. Looking for some hard-hitting insights on compliance? Look no further than Compliance into the Weeds! In this episode of Compliance into the Weeds, Tom Fox and Matt Kelly look at the new DOJ AAG position which will report directly to the White House. 

In this episode, Tom and Matt discuss the recent developments in the Department of Justice, particularly the establishment of a new Assistant Attorney General for fraud reporting directly to the White House. They explore the implications of this move, the regulatory chaos it may create, and the potential for politically motivated enforcement actions. The conversation emphasizes the uncertainty facing compliance professionals and the need for robust risk management strategies in light of these changes as well as the chaos capitalism the Administration has introduced into American business. 

Key Highlights 

·      Introduction to the Department of Retribution

·      The New Assistant Attorney General for Fraud

·      Political Implications of Fraud Enforcement

·      Potential Targets of Enforcement

·      Navigating Chaos Capitalism

·      Risk Management Strategies for Compliance Professionals

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A multi-award winning podcast, Compliance into the Weeds was most recently honored as one of a Top 25 Regulatory Compliance Podcast and a Top 10 Business Law Podcast, and a Top 12 Risk Management Podcast. Compliance into the Weeds has been conferred a Davey, Communicator and w3 Award, all for podcast excellence. 

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